Style

[tommo]

Holy crap....  Dude you CANNOT be that upset by people disagreeing with you.  What are you like 14?
Furthermore you cannot say you are open minded and then say that you aren't going to read a few paragraphs because it won't change your mind anyway.  How do you KNOW it won't change your mind if you don't know what is contained therein?
This isn't a personal attack, I'm seriously asking if you are 14 or thereabouts?  Because nobody got angry, we were having a discussion about how you end up with a personal style and people were putting their views forward, there's no reason to feel like anyone was attacking you.

Anyway Pieter I read your post which was supposedly too hard to read and I actually agreed completely with it.  You should be a teacher, the way you explained it captured my attention and it didn't feel like reading heaps because it was worded well etc.  So thanks for that.  It's definitely similar to what I was thinking about how someone gets a style, just worded better lol  I'm not too great at articulating things.

Anyway calm down loathsome and join the debate.  Art is not a definite thing (in most areas anyway, of course some are definite) but for the most part everyone has an opinion.  I don't think anybody is 100% right.

[Jaehl]

Alright guys, keep it civil or I'm locking this. You're meant to be talking about style, not bitching at each other.

[crumb]

oh i hate all of you!

 idont really.
love your website Jaehl.

[muzzoid]

im confused as to why he is taking it as a personal attack.

My only point that could be considered an insult was questioning your lack of will to read peiters post yet still claim that you are open minded.

"I respect your point but I don't agree with you. I think style is something that comes to you, it's something that influences you. Personally I don't work at style at all, I draw the way that feel natural to me. When you see stuff you get blown away by, you take some of what you see in you and I believe that you do so without even knowing it. Sometimes you get influenced a lot sometimes you get influenced just a tiny bit. But everything gets mixed in the soup."

Yeah we covered that, and that is one way of developing a style and we are not arguing that, We are arguing the best way to devlop style is to make conscious decisions about what you want your art to look like, but we are saying that the it is perfectly reasonable to make a style just from conscious decisions.

Thing is that my arguments are just a summary of pieters post, so do your self a favour and read it.

Just remember, the key to winning an argument is being willing to accept defeat; If you go into an argument without being wiling to lose you will never consider their points enough to rebut them correctly, and the other person will just get frustrated as you dont actually listen. Your argument is that you can only devlop style with time and cant force it; Our argument is that you can do that, but the most effective way is to use conscious decisions to choose what style you are going to draw with.
Our arguments are similar and we aren't even saying that you are wrong, we are just saying that your point is part of a larger picture.

[tack]

Just keep at it and youll have that artistic steez eventually.

[Pieter]

It's okay guys, just let it be please.

Anyway, I posted a list at CA.org with (what I think) are fundamentals within visual art (which I know of at this point).
There's also some interesting points from other members.
Here's the thread...

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=174003

So within my line off tough by bieng aware of these will give you the ability to make conscious stylistic decisions.

[DrLemons]

i think the way i think of someones 'style' is different then the way you guys are talking about. i always just think of it as that certain something that shines through whatever you were trying to do, whatever makes people say "hey this was done by -whoever- wasnt it?" cause its just done the way you do it. i guess the person looking at it would have to be pretty familiar with your work for it to happen that way though .

i do on the other hand agree with you all on how style does 'develop' over time. im never really looking for what feels natural, im more looking for what looks good. for example i like how Adam does eyes on certain creatures, with the reflection of colour on the bottom so i started adding that to my drawings. obviously what i drew will look like something I drew, but if someone is familiar with adams style they might see the reference there.

[tommo]

Thanks for the link Pieter.
DrLemons, I completely agree with that.